Sureluck Raises perplexing Scenario – RE PH Involvement

Written by Clarke Kent

Sureluck in a comment on the post entitled “CoWorker in His Own Words -Part 2″ dated Nov 9, 2016 introduces a time line for PH’s involvement in Shellie’s murder. He relates to something he has knowledge of on the autopsy that I can’t figure out is (the breasts are covered with dirt).”  Of course if she was dragged on her front side she may have got some dirt on her but there must have been a significant amount of dirt on her for them to include it in the autopsy and I just can’t figure out when it would have happened if PH killed her and then drove her to the dropsite. I know there’s something there but I can’t figure out where or how it happened.”

He asks Justice and readers on the blog “to play out a scenario in your mind of a lone killer and figure out why there might be dirt on her breasts” While Sureluck raises the autopsy dirt on her body it also raises the timeline and other scenarios if infact he was involved at all.

Justice considers the last sighting of Shellie on Suffolk Lane and the last time he visually saw Shellie on her bike on Suffolk Lane ad the corner of Suffolk Ct. Don T puts the time at 6:12AM when he lost sight of her which also coincides with PH’s residence. (Don T sighting was never accepted by VBPD, and therefore Don T sighting is not officially a fact with LE). Now Justice in an interview with PH can confirm that PH stated he left his home at 5:30 AM on Sunday Aug 14, 2005 to take his daughter to work at the Lynnhaven Mall. He also claims he discovered the body at 6:04 AM and called le at 6:09 AM. Now if PH was to take a body to dump at the circle when did it happen? the only way for Shellie’s body to be at the kings Grant Circle if PH was involved at all would have been prior to 530 AM. If it was prior to 530, say 5:15 Am he would have been seen by the 2 suspicious vehicles reported by Don T. Don T’s discovery has been well documented in this blog and it does not mention sighting of a lone white SUV at any time. Justice believes that these 2 suspicious vehicles were responsible for depositing Shellie’s body on the circle. The only other way for the body to be deposited at the discovery sight by PH, would have been to have the body in the rear of his SUV along with the bike when he left with his daughter at 530 AM and dropped her off at the mall and go directly to the circle, however that seems unrealistic.

So the questions that is puzzling if PH was involved and Shellie was a visitor how did her body get to the discovery site? Sureluck scenario with the dirt on her breast also introduce how it got there if PH and Shellie were together at his residency on Suffolk Lane. Also included the road rash and how that was present on the autopsy report and it’s hard to put it in a scenario that includes PH. As Sureluck states “I just can’t figure out when it would have happened (dragging Shellie’s body on cement) if PH killed her.” Sureluck further tells us that “I know there’s something there but I can’t figure out where or how it happened.”

Maybe, just maybe PH was not involved in Shellie’s murder and all other happening fit except for the reality of how did Shellie body get to the Kings Grant Circle in the condition it was? There is motive, opportunity, however PH’s involvement we just can not figure out the time line. Something is missing. Could it be that it didn’t occur at ph’s residence, but at another location and maybe by some other killer or killers. There are missing pieces of information as well as other suspects. While certain indications make ph a person of interest, the case is still unsolved. We need more information and hope someone knows something and will come forward and help is and help the cold case unit close this case.

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13 Responses to Sureluck Raises perplexing Scenario – RE PH Involvement

  1. Sureluck says:

    I’m not ignorant to the fact that there’s a possibility that this crime was committed by someone other than PH, but I’m not going to give up on our most solid suspect because we can’t figure out why there was dirt on her breasts or because the timeline doesn’t line up for Justice. If we can’t think outside of the box that the vehicles seen at the circle were not involved in the crime, then there’s no point in this blog whatsoever.
    “Don T possible stumbled on two vehicles who were part of a group that dumped Shellie alive at the circle where she was found 45 minutes later murdered.” This statement from an older post, and the above statement that, “Justice believes that these 2 suspicious vehicles were responsible for depositing Shellie’s body on the circle,” are a great example of why I left this blog in the past. I only returned because I thought we were doing some legitimate investigating using the only evidence that we have. However, we can’t get past the cars at the circle. Were they involved? We don’t know. There are few likely scenarios that point to them being involved.
    You’re so sure that the vehicles seen at the circle right? Why? Because they sped off? That’s not enough evidence for anyone. Additionally, what other solid evidence do we have that suggests that more than two people were involved in this crime?
    Also, we have no idea if PH is telling us the truth about dropping his daughter off at work, there’s no way to verify this other than contacting PH’s daughter. Even so, you explained perfectly how even with his timeline of events, PH could have committed this crime.
    You say that, “…to have the body in the rear of his SUV (I’m pretty sure that it’s been stated numerous times that PH drove a Honda Odyssey, not an SUV) along with the bike when he left with his daughter at 530 AM and dropped her off at the mall and go directly to the circle,” is unrealistic, but you know what’s unrealistic? A group of more than two people (there were two seen in the truck by Don T and at least one driving the other car) committed this crime, left no hard evidence, and kept their mouths shut all this time. The only reason that Justice entertains this idea is because of the many rumors that surrounded this murder. I wasn’t around when the rumors surfaced, but I try not to any emphasis on them and instead look at the facts that we have collected.
    Furthermore, that this group was a bunch of young men who knew Shellie personally, then decided to claim their innocence on this blog. For what? Why even read this blog if it reminded you of the single most terrible thing that you’ve ever done? Tell me, how would this group of people have found her on Suffolk Ln? She didn’t have a phone to tell anybody where she was. Did they just randomly stumble upon her and decide to kill her? It doesn’t make sense.
    Why drive directly past the only living person in sight if you just dropped off the body of someone you murdered. There were other ways out of the neighborhood, turn right on Oxford, left on Kings lake, left on queen Manchester, left on Queen Elizabeth, right on kings grant and you completely avoid any chance of Don T seeing your face. Instead they drive right past him like they don’t care. In my opinion, the people who left the scene obviously didn’t care about looking suspicious because they weren’t doing anything terribly wrong, they were making a drug deal most likely.
    Why drop the body in literally the most trafficked part of the neighborhood and not in a ditch or in one of the bodies of water nearby? The body was intended to be found. A group of people committing a murder would likely not want the body to be found.
    “the only way for Shellie’s body to be at the kings Grant Circle if PH was involved at all would have been prior to 530 AM” Wrong. Statements like this are fallacies and like I’ve said before we can’t be sure that PH is telling the truth about his timeline.
    “Now Justice in an interview with PH can confirm that PH stated he left his home at 5:30 AM on Sunday Aug 14, 2005 to take his daughter to work at the Lynnhaven Mall.” Right, that’s all you can confirm is when PH STATED he left his home, we don’t KNOW that he did.
    “Don T’s discovery has been well documented in this blog and it does not mention sighting of a lone white SUV at any time.” Yeah, because PH didn’t have an SUV and Don T likely wasn’t at the circle when the body was dropped.
    “So the questions that is puzzling if PH was involved and Shellie was a visitor how did her body get to the discovery site?” By a car. More specifically a white Honda Odyssey that was never searched by LE. PH could have laid plastic or something in his car that he disposed of after dropping off the body. I think that’s he moved away from her after he found her and claimed to knock on the door of the empty house; to dispose of damning evidence.
    “As Sherlock states, ‘I just can’t figure out when it would have happened (dragging Shellie’s body on cement) if PH killed her.’ Sureluck further tells us that ‘I know there’s something there but I can’t figure out where or how it happened.’” Well, if you read my post as was intended and didn’t misquote me/insert your own interpretation of what I wrote, you would know that dragging her on the cement is something that I can figure out. The only thing I couldn’t figure out is the dirt on her breasts. The next time I post, I will offer my scenario of how I believe this crime could have been committed so that there won’t be any confusion. It won’t be gospel and I don’t expect it to be accepted as such. For now, I just wanted to clear up what I meant in my last post and why I’m not convinced that the cars at the scene were involved.
    Moles, your question about it being dirt or mud was so good, thank you! I feel as if I’m getting closer to answering my questions. The dirt on her breasts could have been mud, which would explain how they were covered with it. Then, after it dried, it would have been considered dirt. Mud is simply a combination of dirt and water.
    Sorry about the lengthy post, but I promise that I am putting a lot of thought into my posts and not just rambling.

    • Clarke Kent says:

      Sureluck Impressive comments. I will be address your comments shortly. I am headed to S C to handle some problems with property and will have some important points I would like to make. I look foward to your next comment in which you “will offer my scenario”.

    • M.O.L.E.S. says:

      Damning evidence I agree that’s the only reason for him to go to that home. I wonder, are you wondering what I am, hope so.

  2. Miranda says:

    I have to say, the thing that stood out the most to me in this post was the fact that we would dismiss any idea based on the time he took his daughter to work. Why in the world would we believe him on this if we suspect him of anything? And especially when all of the adults surrounding this family, including the new wife are protecting this grown adult “child” as if she were in grade school? The whole thing is suspect. To the point where I was asked at one time to remove all mention of PH, in order to protect this grown woman. It just makes no sense to me.

  3. M.O.L.E.S. says:

    This was sentence taken from Surelock. He says, The dirt on her breasts could have been mud, which would explain how they were covered with it. Who is they?

    I’m thinking Shellie did say something to this grown adult “child” I’m thinking this grown adult child does need protecting, from who though and for what reason? This family has more than one secret. I remember this saying, “Did you caught with your hand in the cookie jar.” I think PH’s hands were up to the foulest of all fouls. Sometimes when looking for the truth more truth is yet to unfold.

    Lets say that they were having sex after sex they had a shower and that’s when Shellie wanted him to stay but he had to go home Shellie became upset and threatened to tell his wife but we have never assumed that she was going to tell his daughter. He became furious, fight ensued and he knocked her out so to say, he dragged her out of the house and into the yard. The construction people could have been using the water hose and water was in the yard. The only explanation would be if she was knocked out and dragged to a waiting car and then transported to the circle. I have often thought that Shellie was murdered behind the church across from the 7eleven. I have through there and have sat in that parking lot and thought of what happened to her after she left the area but I don’t think she left the area, According to MF he did walk did not walk her to the duck pond. That is a red flag either you did or didn’t then he knew she was in trouble. I think people helped to set this murder in motion but was used instead to create blame. Then there was BB’s car across the street or one that appeared to be his car. Lets say PH was doing more in than neighborhood than we know.

    Does this help at all?? Just some thoughts

    • Juliet says:

      I think sure luck means shellies breasts when she s/he says “which would explain how THEY were covered with it.” (Dirt/mud)

  4. Juliet says:

    Or maybe after ph murdered shellie, he called someone else in to take care of the body and move it while he took his daughter to work. This driving the daughter to work would give him an alibi. And maybe the vehicles Don t saw were that of ph acconplice(s). Just teying to fit all pieces into a scenario that makes sense. Because out of all the poi on the radar, he seems to have had the most pointing against him, as well as oppurtunity, and I’d there there hat he was sleeping with shellie, then he also had there ha the motive.

    • Juliet says:

      Sorry about the spelling errors. My phone froze up on me.

    • Clarke Kent says:

      Juliet Don T saw 2 vehicles on the Circle one a smaller car vehicle that was flashing a light as well as a pickup truck blue/green . They past within 15 feet of him standing on the Kings Grant Rd on the area of the Middle School. The time was 5:15 to 5:25AM. The vehicles were not a White Honda Odyssey. PH told us that he arrived at 6:04AM and it was parked on the Circle until the LE released it to him. He drove to work on Mon. Aug 15 by 8AM.

  5. Juliet says:

    It could be possible that ph took his daughter to work with shellie in the back of the vehicle and the bike I have always thought this a possibility. His daughter probably would have seen the bike sticking up in the back but that could easily be explained by making up some story about finding it and after taking her to work was gonna take it to police, or he could have simply said, a friend asked me to pick up his bike for his daughter. I have to take it to him kater. What I’m getting at, is its not impossible for shellie and that bike to have been in the vehicle when he took his daughter to work. This would, of course, would debunk the 2 vehicles at the circle dumping the body. Or, let’s say ph left his house with daughter before 530. Say it was 500 and they stopped for breakfast first or something to kill time because he had to get daughter out of the house right away since shellies dead body is there. Maybe ph calls in help. While he is gone with daughter, the 2 vehicles go to his house and transport the body and bike to the circle. I’m just trying to think of a situation where ph killed shellie and was responsible for the vehicles at the circle le at 515. There could be a link.

    • Clarke Kent says:

      Juliet I don’t see PH calling in help to deposit the body at the Circle. He is a loner and dealt with people by himself. Why would anyone help him with such a dangerous task? Way to risky. I am of the belief that Shellie was disabled at another non Circle location and the body was dumped at the Circle to place it at a distance from the original assault location. The body was arranged to make it look like a sexual crime and put in a vehicle large enough to carry a body and a bike together. I believe the white vehicle accompanied the Vehicle carrying the body and acted like the look out. When the lights flashed on the smaller look out Vehicle it indicated someone was coming and both Vehicles immediately left the drop area and proceeded at a fast pace to retreat. If this scenario is correct it doesn’t involve PH. It’s hard to imagine PH ‘s involvement, assuming all facts are correct and accurate from Don T.

      • Juliet says:

        Understood. So just to clarify, your opinion is that IF those 2 vehicles were involved in dumping shellies body at the circle, then ph would not be a suspect. (Again, I understand that this would be only if it was proven that those 2 vehicles were responsible for dumping shellies body there)

  6. Juliet says:

    The dirt could have gotten onto her breasts by ph dragging her from his home to his vehicle or from his vehicle to the dump site. I don’t understand how this would seem unrealistic? Even if it wasn’t ph, unless someone actually carried her, and placed her body at the circle, she would have to have been dragged, especially if this was only done by one person, and even if it was done by 2.

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